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jep
16 Oct 2012, 6:55 AM
Just thought I'd post this here so people don't get surprised by it later like I was. It's certainly not spelled out on the website.

The only way to get a license to use Sencha Charts for commercial use is to buy the Sencha Complete package, which starts at $995 per developer.

It's good to know in advance in case it prices you out of even bothering to look at it. It did for us, and I'm glad I found it out before wasting too much time learning how to use it.

shepsii
22 Oct 2012, 1:51 AM
too much packaging of products going on... forcing people to buy stuff they don't want to get the stuff they do leads to people feeling ripped off.

stylempl
22 Oct 2012, 3:27 AM
no good ...

sissonb
22 Oct 2012, 10:19 AM
Is this true? I though you only had to buy a ST2 licence for building a commercially licensed SDK, or mobile application builder, or if your application is distributed to more that 5000 users. Do charts not fall under the same license?

jep
22 Oct 2012, 10:26 AM
Well, couple of things here. First off, I think you might be a little mixed up on the 5,000 user things. That's for embedded devices. Like if you built your own little watch that ran a web server and served up its user interface using the Sencha SDK. You could build a mobile app that's run by a million users and never have to worry about the 5,000 unit embedded device clause.

Now, as to whether it's true that you have to buy the Sencha Complete license to use Sencha Charts in Sencha Touch 2 - after about a dozen back and forth emails with their sales department, this is what I've been told. Mitchell has posted some things that sound like they conflict with that, but he's in support and not licensing/sales so he could just be wrong. But I sent them an email a few days ago and have replied to Mitchell's posts asking for clarification. I haven't heard a word yet.

I'm hoping they're still not 100% decided on this. If not, it might help to hear the opinions of their users. I'm playing with charts now for a GPL app. But aside from that toy, charts will now become fairly useless to us. And since Sencha have their own charts, other people will probably be much less interested in producing charts for it. So we'll probably wind up wrapping some non-Sencha charts and having to deal with that mess. It just seems like a no-win situation.

hotdp
23 Oct 2012, 6:16 AM
I can also confirm that there is no way to "upgrade" or buy Charts. No matter if you have bought support, Architect or anything else. You have to buy Sencha Complete also if you will end up with double licenses that you can not use for anything.

Sadly, when the conditions was confirmed I had all ready spend wasted lot of time on Charts.

tvanzoelen
24 Oct 2012, 12:10 AM
Here http://www.sencha.com/products/charts/download/ is said



In summary, the license you choose for Sencha Touch Charts must match the license with which you use Sencha Touch.


I think if you have a commercial license for touch you can use the charts as well. But it seems the Touck license is moved under the complete license.

jep
24 Oct 2012, 4:35 AM
I wouldn't put too much stock on what is on their website regarding charts licensing. It's not very well organized/updated and conflicts with what they say in email.

But i'm almost positive the licensing for ST isn't changing, just ST charts.

tangix
24 Oct 2012, 11:49 PM
If Sencha would get their act together and produce a stable environment for Ext JS, Touch, Architect and a working Cmd I would happily pay up for the Complete license (currently on Ext JS Commercial and Sencha Architect). As it is now we have way too many half-finished "good-intentions" solutions that are flying around in various stages of betas, RC:s and considered "final" that I am starting to get worried about what kind of black hole my additional $1000 will end up in.
Sadly none of these products listed above are able to provide a simple solution to deploy code to end-users anymore and until that happens I'll hold on to my creditcard.

Carefully optimistic about the Sencha future,
/Mattias

shepsii
24 Oct 2012, 11:53 PM
Mattias puts down my exact thoughts also... let's get sencha command working properly, with localstorage persistance across both devices, and improve Android performance, and get Sencha Architect working with all the features of sencha touch (ie, profiles). Do all that and I and I imagine many others will part with $1000.

hotdp
25 Oct 2012, 12:33 AM
If Sencha would get their act together and produce a stable environment for Ext JS, Touch, Architect and a working Cmd I would happily pay up for the Complete license (currently on Ext JS Commercial and Sencha Architect). As it is now we have way too many half-finished "good-intentions" solutions that are flying around in various stages of betas, RC:s and considered "final" that I am starting to get worried about what kind of black hole my additional $1000 will end up in.
Sadly none of these products listed above are able to provide a simple solution to deploy code to end-users anymore and until that happens I'll hold on to my creditcard.

Carefully optimistic about the Sencha future,
/Mattias

They are working on integration of Cmd in SA. I believe it will be released with ST2.1 GA and SA 2.2

tangix
25 Oct 2012, 12:56 AM
They are working on integration of Cmd in SA. I believe it will be released with ST2.1 GA and SA 2.2
So I have heard. For Sencha Cmd Ext JS support is also "coming" as is building on Linux, native packaging on Windows etc, etc...

My point is that I'd like to see a consistent way to design, build and deploy the various products across the products and also across the platforms. Currently we have some beautiful pieces laying scattered on the table there but puzzle don't fit together as of now.

I am optimistic, but I still have to use my old XP computer to be able to build Ext JS 4.0.x using beta2 of Sencha SDK 2.0... My new project in SA 2 based on Ext JS 4.1 is still not possible to build using Sencha Cmd 3.0 as of b390 due to the Model issues, but knock on wood - I hope there is a solution by mid-December when I need to deploy.

Cheers,
/Mattias

hotdp
25 Oct 2012, 1:00 AM
So I have heard. For Sencha Cmd Ext JS support is also "coming" as is building on Linux, native packaging on Windows etc, etc...

My point is that I'd like to see a consistent way to design, build and deploy the various products across the products and also across the platforms. Currently we have some beautiful pieces laying scattered on the table there but puzzle don't fit together as of now.

I am optimistic, but I still have to use my old XP computer to be able to build Ext JS 4.0.x using beta2 of Sencha SDK 2.0... My new project in SA 2 based on Ext JS 4.1 is still not possible to build using Sencha Cmd 3.0 as of b390 due to the Model issues, but knock on wood - I hope there is a solution by mid-December when I need to deploy.

Cheers,
/Mattias

Hi,
I totally understand your concern.
Was just fyi if you did not know.

jep
1 Nov 2012, 11:47 AM
A recent Sencha blog post confirms that it's GPL or $1000:

Sencha Touch Charts is now available as part of the Sencha Touch GPL framework, and as part of the Sencha Complete or Sencha Complete: Team packages.
http://www.sencha.com/blog/whats-new-in-sencha-touch-2.1

gypsie
19 Mar 2013, 6:11 PM
Just grab jqPlot charts and be done with it. It's free.
http://www.jqplot.com

Too bad that sencha doesn't offer them for free. But I guess they have to make money to to stay in the business.

digeridoopoo
20 Mar 2013, 1:42 AM
Don't forget highcharts...made for extjs and sencha. There are some cool examples on the web if you google them...

:-)

penguintux
26 Apr 2013, 7:44 PM
By charging $1000, they are simply stopping development fo Charts. If they really need money, I prefer charing by $10 for each ST license to that $1000.