Safari on Windows

[jon.whitcraft]

Guys,

It just got announced at WWDC that Safari will be running on windows by EOD in form of a public beta.

Download will be here later today: http://www.apple.com/safari

Enjoy!! :D:D:D

[neongrau]

i'm answering from the freshly downloaded safari 3 beta for windows :D

despite the funny bug that it renders text invisible when it should be bold it looks promising.
typical slick design. and i must admit. it "feels" good and really fast.

it's beta now. but when it's done and people start using it, this could even take away users from FF (must resist....

[jon.whitcraft]

While I do agree it is nice i don't see myself moving from FF any time soon. This will deffinatly make it easier to develope for safari now that's it on Windows too.

PS I'm writing this in safari.

[nassaja-rus]

Safari is very buggy for beta %( I can explain it's release only necessity to present it at conference.

And I am full of hope, that safari under win latform will work so as well as under a mac, without the glitches specific to a platform, differently in it there is no sense.

[jon.whitcraft]

I have it running on my mac and my pc and it acts the same on both so far.

The one problem i have with the windows version is the only place to resize the window is in the bottom right corner. i find this to be very very bad. it's windows not the mac. i want my resize handles all the way around like iTunes does... maybe in a later beta...

[johnnycannuk]

Well the latest is that Safari Windows has 4 DoS vulnerabilities and 2 remote execution vulnerabilities. At least according to David Maynor, the guy that found the Apple Wifi hack. There is also a URL protocol handler command injection vulnerability.

Goodness, Apple sure is learning a lot from Microsoft about programming for Windows, eh?

Yeah, sticking to FF is probably a good idea right now.

If course, lets give Apple the benefit of the doubt and see how long it takes to fix this.

[trbs]

cool, having a free safari on windows helps a lot !!
i installed this just yesterday and it seems to be working just fine.

Although i'd hoped they also released it on Linux, now i still have to pay a 500euro's license for every virtualized windows machine i want to run for testing and debugging purposes :(

(and for that money, i could just as well buy a Mac Mini and get all there osx stuff for 'free')

Still very nice of apple to start building Safari for windows!

[jon.whitcraft]

Well the latest is that Safari Windows has 4 DoS vulnerabilities and 2 remote execution vulnerabilities. At least according to David Maynor, the guy that found the Apple Wifi hack. There is also a URL protocol handler command injection vulnerability.

Goodness, Apple sure is learning a lot from Microsoft about programming for Windows, eh?

Yeah, sticking to FF is probably a good idea right now.

If course, lets give Apple the benefit of the doubt and see how long it takes to fix this.

I agree but it is still nice to be able to set safari going forward. i just wish safari 2 was on windows...


cool, having a free safari on windows helps a lot !!
i installed this just yesterday and it seems to be working just fine.

Although i'd hoped they also released it on Linux, now i still have to pay a 500euro's license for every virtualized windows machine i want to run for testing and debugging purposes :(

(and for that money, i could just as well buy a Mac Mini and get all there osx stuff for 'free')

Still very nice of apple to start building Safari for windows!

I agree there trbs...but where is my iPhoto or iWeb or even the rest of the iLife stuff.

maybe some day..although i just bought a mac...hrmm guess i'll use it on the mac instead.

[feanor73]

We just ran our Ext app on Safari on Windows and grid performance (1.1 beta1) is actually visibly faster! There were some minor rendering issues (probably in our css overrides, but we need to investigate still).

Anyone else notice better performance?

[schmidetzki]

Anyone else notice better performance?

Definitly.
I just installed Safari 3.02 (on a Mac) and our Ext-applications (http://extjs.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6095) runs much faster than on FireFox. And it needs less memory.

However there are some layout issues. BorderLayout shows scrollbars where FF dont' show scrollbars.
To the Ext development team: Do you plan to support Safari-3 in future Ext-releases?

[franklt69]

We just ran our Ext app on Safari on Windows and grid performance (1.1 beta1) is actually visibly faster! There were some minor rendering issues (probably in our css overrides, but we need to investigate still).
Anyone else notice better performance?


my experience about perfomance was http://extjs.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8119 maybe is some issues with css, render ect, but to me the same ext code in safari for windows run 3 times more fast the other browse, I would like to know if I am wrong.


regards
Frank

[CableDawg]

Your rendering issues may be due to getPadding and getBorderWidth (and probably getMargins as well) all returning 0 regardless of what the padding and borders are set to.

I just happened to stumble across that in my own work so I thought I would report it.

EDIT:
More specifically, those methods return "0" if the element's parent is hidden. Firefox will return the correct value, Safari 3 will return "0".

Sort of makes sense though. Not sure there is an easy way around that one short of turning the parent on/off to measure.

[KimH]

Hi all!

Just wanted to let you know that there is a secret "Debug" menu in Safari. A lot of blogs have talked about this for MacOS, but I just stumbled upon this blog (http://hohle.net/scrap_post.php?post=221) that describes how to do it in the Windows version as well (I have tried it and it works... but Firebug in Firefox is still miles ahead):


In an interesting turn of events, Apple released Safari for Windows. Well, they didn't quite release it, its still a beta but in general works very well (this post is being made from one of Safari 3's resizable text fields).

If you're a web developer, Safari's Debug Menu is a necessity. Fortunately for those of us stuck in Windows, Safari's Debug menu is still available, however, it appears you have to get your hands dirty to enable it.

On a Mac, you'd open a Terminal and type:

defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1As far as I can tell, Windows doesn't have Apple's defaults utility, but plists, where the preferences are stored, and the Debug menu is enabled are just plain text XML files. To enable the Debug menu in Safari for Windows, add the following key, value pair to c:\Documents and Settings\your username\Application Data\Apple Computer\Safari\Preferences.plist

<key>IncludeDebugMenu</key>
<true/>
Before the closing </dict> element and restart Safari.

It seems a little more spartan than Safari for Mac's debug menu, but at least it includes a JavaScript console and User Agent switching.

[jon.whitcraft]

Great find Kim!!