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    Sencha, please think more over about Raphael Alternativa.
    I mean that developer could use flash version of charts and Raphael.

    Please do like in http://www.amcharts.com/

    I very like Raphael, but Raphael is based on svg/vml.
    As all know SVG/VML is very slow.

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    amcharts.com loaded the charts slowly for me
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    @Mycoding:

    As all know SVG is very slow.
    Thats completely nonsense. It depends a lot on the usecase.
    For initial drawing, canvas is a bit faster, but when changing the data SVG will be better.

    Flash has no place inside this framework IMHO.

    So, if you prefer using amcharts, just build a wrapper class and use them.
    Really no big deal


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    Sorry me.
    But that svg/vml is very slow is true.
    I did about 10 works on Raphael.

    To assure you please look at this sample in IE6(Of course IE6 is bad sample, but
    svg/vml works much worste than flash)
    http://vreshenie.ru/work/svg/map/16.html

    P.S:
    I very like Raphael, but in fact it is slow.

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    @Tobiu
    Why does Flash have no place in this framework ?
    It s funny how people are now bashing Flash.
    Without flash this framework would not be where it is now. Atleast when it comes to charting.

    I think having a Flash and a JS based chart API and letting the user choose is the right way to go.

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    @Ekambos: don't get me wrong, I don't say that you should not use flash, I just Sencha should build a Flash component for charting. It is really sad that they lost Dimitri (the Raphael guy) after such a short time. The team should focus at what they are good at: building Javascript components.

    You can still use the YUI charts (which still have more beautiful animation when it comes to transitions between different store items or just resizing the panel). This is something the users should focus on if they like to: building wrapper classes for 3rd party components.



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    What is the bigger picture here... Will Flash be around forever? Maybe, maybe not. So to have a built-in solution is what is needed for the long run. Tobiu says the Flash chart has better transitional animations... maybe. SVG and VML may be slower right now but it will get better... most things do. It may become as good or better than Flash but having no dependencies I feel is the right direction. Look at what Raphael has brought to the table... Ext.draw.*. What can you do now that you couldn't when there was Flash charts? Not only can you now draw charts but you can now draw pictures and stuff using the same code that runs under the Ext JS 4 charts. Flash charting didn't give us that capability.

    Not ever part of everything is perfect... or is ever going to be. From what I have noticed, things start off a little rough around the edges and it gets better. Some things take longer than other things. Just my experience in the last almost 15 years of programming.

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    @Mitchell
    having a built-in solution is definitly the right move.
    But that does not mean drop flash, since you still can have both and let the user choose the right solution for him.
    Flash has made you successfull and droping it now will force some people(like myself) to rewrite everything while migrating to EXT-JS 4. And our chart code base is really huge.
    There are still some things that you can do with Flash that you can not do with a JS based solution(for now). One of them beeing exporting charts to PDF on the client. In our application we have users generating reports every 30 seconds. By doing that on the client our server was very happy. We EXT4 we cant export any chart to PDF on the client.
    The Flash chart API was really good. You could have kept it there instead of taking it out completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekambos View Post
    But that does not mean drop flash, since you still can have both and let the user choose the right solution for him.
    Flash has made you successfull and droping it now will force some people(like myself) to rewrite everything while migrating to EXT-JS 4. And our chart code base is really huge.
    I would have to respectfully disagree. There are many parts of the framework that has made it successful. Charts were just one part that helped the framework reach the success it has thus far. Could we have kept both, maybe. I'm not sure if they just wanted to go forward with the SVG/VML solution and not look back or maybe it was working with a 3rd party dependency that wouldn't work well with the new data package. Also note that the new charting package is part of Sencha Platform so it is to be shared between Ext JS 4+ and Sencha Touch 2+. Huge benefit right there. Yes Android supports Flash but iOS does not and probably will never.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ekambos View Post
    There are still some things that you can do with Flash that you can not do with a JS based solution(for now). One of them beeing exporting charts to PDF on the client. In our application we have users generating reports every 30 seconds. By doing that on the client our server was very happy. We EXT4 we cant export any chart to PDF on the client.
    The Flash chart API was really good. You could have kept it there instead of taking it out completely.
    I can understand your concern. I have never worked with VML so I cannot say about that but you can get to the SVG's source easily and with JS you can even automatically serve it up to download the SVG. SVG is not displayable in every computer but you can achieve the same thing with a little extra work.
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    BTW I know at Sencha, we enjoy this kind of user feedback. The community has come up with good points and some really sweet inventions. Feedback like this helps us move in what we think is the right direction.
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