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bastard
28 Sep 2011, 8:48 AM
Sencha Team: Do you guys think Sencha Touch will work for the Amazon Fire? Supposedly is uses a very modified version of Android. They have their own weird browser called the Amazon Silk:

http://searchengineland.com/amazon-android-tablet-undermines-google-94664

jep
28 Sep 2011, 8:42 PM
According to this (http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/97587-amazon-silk-bridging-the-gap-between-desktop-and-tablet-web-browsers), Silk is webkit-based. So it's quite possible it will. The devil is in the details, and we'd have to see how it's cloud-based optimization affected the javascript and resources used by Sencha Touch. It could go either way.

bastard
28 Sep 2011, 11:18 PM
Hope you are correct. Analysts are predicting significant market penetration for Amazon Fire. Hell, for $200 I already pre-ordered mine.

-Shikhir

mitchellsimoens
29 Sep 2011, 5:05 AM
No official word but there are a few of us that pre-ordered it so I'm sure it will be checked out... nothing official tho :)

wilzdezign
29 Sep 2011, 3:59 PM
Let the Fire begin! haha.. same here, for that price and for those with no tablets, it is a door opener to get one. It would be nice to use the Silk Browser for testing though even on desktop sites. But it being webkit, it should work well (crossing fingers).

Anyone hear about an App Market for the Kindle Fire? With Sencha Touch 2 on the horizon with the added app-builder, it would be nice to start getting the apps up on the app stores there too. But I understand it will be a while until the Sencha team has time to play (test) with the Fire to support it for ST 2.1

wilzdezign
1 Oct 2011, 6:28 AM
Just watched this video on Amazon Silk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u7F_56WhHk
Wow will this make the mobile experience faster with putting everything (98%) in the cloud. Same concept with Sencha.io for resizing images on the fly, but now for the HTML and JS too.

bdvr
1 Oct 2011, 12:11 PM
Silk looks very intriguing, although the security aspect is definitely a concern. In a way, this approach seems like sort of a step backward. It seems designed to optimize the traditional server-centric brochure-ware style web experience rather than rich client web apps. The need for the cloud rendering may suggest that the Fire itself is underpowered, and at its price point, that wouldn't be a big surprise.

If nothing else, the part about optimizing what goes over the wire might be useful for speding up AJAX requests, provided the device has enough juice to render our UIs.

bastard
1 Oct 2011, 6:44 PM
I totally agree with you bdvr.

Additionally, I am not sure I like the fact that Amazon gets to decide which content I get to see and which I don't. I am curious if they will block certain sites, because fact remains - they can if the deam content inappropriate or too bandwidth consuming(Comcast anyone?). Also, they have a record of every site the Amazon Fire tablet user has ever been to.

What I'm curious is if the other browsers which can be downloaded from the App store will work. It's be cool if it's Silk was an option. It would suck if it's mandatory.

mitchellsimoens
1 Oct 2011, 7:21 PM
It's dual-core so as far as the CPU goes it has plenty of power... RAM is unspecified but I would think it would be at least 512MB as it's pretty cheap.

Everything going through their EC2 service does kind of suck but they are probably going to be caching things so it could be fast in most cases. For things that we build, not sure I like it not to mention the enterprise clients I dev for won't like their stuff going through it so Fire will never be used by them.

I wouldn't expect having access to the Android Market but only Amazon's App Store. Hopefully they haven't disabled the ability to install 3rd party apps in case some apps aren't in the app store.

In any case... I will be firing up some of my stuff on the Fire to see how it goes in November.

jep
2 Oct 2011, 5:18 PM
I wouldn't expect having access to the Android Market but only Amazon's App Store.

Right, it's already confirmed that you buy stuff from Amazon and Amazon only. Remember their repeated slogan, "It's a service, not a tablet."


Hopefully they haven't disabled the ability to install 3rd party apps in case some apps aren't in the app store.

See above. Amazon is definitely intent on keeping this a walled garden. I'd say the chances of installing non-Amazon App Store software is about nil without some sort of jailbreaking. This is basically Amazon's iPad.

bdvr
3 Oct 2011, 2:36 AM
Exactly, jep.

As to whether Amazon is going to make this an ideal platform for web apps where users can add them to the home screen with a custom launch icon and splash screen, with a wonderful GPU accelerated browser to run these rich client apps super fast, and a nice cloud service to speed up what goes over the wire for service calls--I would guess not.

Amazon might even be subsidizing the cost of these tablets, and they'll certainly be spending a lot to keep the Silk cloud services going. With that in mind, it seems that the last thing Amazon would want is for large enterprises to buy these as cheap tablets to run their business apps and not buy stuff from Amazon. In that case, Amazon would be giving them a free ride, which is not good business.

Who knows, though.

jayrobinson
18 Nov 2011, 6:12 PM
Hi guys, we've posted our Amazon Kindle Fire review: http://www.sencha.com/blog/html5-scorecard-amazon-kindle-fire/ and a few videos on Vimeo.

Overall, Sencha Touch works, though the Fire is not as responsive as many other popular devices.

jep
18 Nov 2011, 9:20 PM
Thanks for that, Jay. Really interesting to see it tested specifically with Sencha Touch.

jep
18 Nov 2011, 9:21 PM
Oh, and your "Update: and we’re not the only reviewers to notice this" has some broken html that makes it include a trailing double quote.