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    Quote Originally Posted by sjmittal View Post
    I think you are perhaps right.
    I was just looking at ExtJS discussions and Q&A per version and this is what I notice:
    5.x has 3.5K threads and was released 1 year before.
    4.x has 28.5+K threads and was released 5 years before.
    3.x has 31+K threads and was released 6 years before.

    Even a simple linear extrapolation shows that after 4.x release not much discussion is happening in the new release. Maybe that minimum 5 license restriction has made lot of users working on one off small project look at other framework. Or perhaps with issues faced with 4.x upgrades they are reluctant to buy new version.

    ExtJS is great for building a good B2B application with all under one roof. However these are dedicated projects with dedicated teams. For open community to interact with the framework and get some traction back so more freelance programmers are involved we need to make some changes to the project at both functional and technical level.
    I completely agree with the trend sjmittal describing here. +100500.
    As a proof i'll allow myself to list here my answer to Danny McLaughlin i've send today. My company is an example of those customers whose projects not allowed to increase the popularity of the extjs because there is no reason to pay against the licenses we can't use in case small additions to our mainstream products we offer to market. I'm sad to say this because we've been together a long time. We've teached our developer to be familar with the framework we love but now we're cutted off sencha community.

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    Hi Vlad, I dont have anything I can offer you under 5 developers, that is
    the smallest license we have.
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    Hi Danny, unfortunately in this case being ceo of the company deals with software development for telecom in Russia, i have to make the decision to refuse from using your great framework in one of our product and not to use it anymore in other web based products despite we were with you 7 years and supported your framework within this period. Talking about support i meant not only license fee which were relatively small comparing to current minimum license fees. I'm talking about teaching our web developer and sending them to your events including senchacon in the past, being your community. This is much more important then direct payments. I completely agree with community opinion which is very accurate and briefly submitted here and here on your forum. Thanks for the long term cooperation. I believe it is reasonable to rethink policy for small and medium commercial projects (not businesses) same as we have in one of the products of our company.

    Good luck and good bye.
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    p.s.: mitchellsimoens being an employee of Sencha gives an Example of Apple as mono vendor supplier of a lot of things. It is good for them but the balance between profits and money should be saved within the lifecycle. No Sencha no Apple could keep the balance thru time. That is why i used apple phones starting from third iphone and stopped using it this year in favour to huawei which is 3 times cheaper then iphone6, with the same functionality.

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    Default Ext JS seems to have more job than ever

    After going through this discussion, it looks like there are set of people who are disappointed. While it remains a fact that smaller projects are drying, it doesn't really mean that the technology itself is dying.

    I am having more work than the number of developers and I am hiring aggressively. On the other side, I feel that the companies are trying hard to retain good developers and even an average Ext JS developer doesn't treat himself / herself less than a rockstar.

    Question is where do you want to spend your money? With a nominal license fee, Sencha gives you a comprehensive, consistent and unified framework, which fulfils almost all your practical needs. On the other hand, patching up the codes received from number of mini-libraries with different coding styles and making them somehow work is pain at times. Developers might love Angular JS as it satisfies some of their technical ego, but ask business if it makes them happy :-).

    In enterprises, I have seen few of them switching from Ext JS to Angular JS. I felt bad for them. Since they never used Ext JS right, they just felt that Angular JS could be better option. I hope they work hard to prove their decision right.

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    A lot of things you write here Alok.Ranjan i have to agree. I don't want to say that technology offered by Sencha is dying. Course there are alternatives with their pluses an dminuses.
    I agree with you especially in respect to a lets say self-imagination a number of developers we're hiring hard to work under our projects in a grows business. We also hiring a lot, but little bit different specific specialists to work in c++ code which is our base for the flagship product. I believe you even can't imagine how hard to let them (even semiskilled developers) an interest and motivation to work in a company in which the liability is required. So many potential candidates want to work with no responsibility, especially in a country where 7 time less population and 27 times less professional developers then in India, but this it another thread. I even think sometimes that they are not the rockstars - rockstars are bringing them home slippers to their beds in the morning that starts at about 11 am

    Writing this i'd like to say that i feel the same as you when you talking that a small projects following the consolidation and globalization trends are more risky to die comparing to big ones. I'll tell you more. Being a software developers company we position our mainstream products with similar policy as Sencha do, focusing our main attention on midsize and corporate businesses. But even in our sales policy and pricing as well we leave a space for a living for small size businesses and startups. Big and mid size project are usually a long play money. And someday small and micro segment of the market we focusing our products could act as a suspenders for our slipping pants in some period when big, rich and greedy customers are 'coming from the their yachts in a sees and can't sign the papers in time'.

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    While I agree with the comments about the differences between Ext and the likes of (spit) Angular et al.

    There doesn't appear to be much work for Ext developers in my experience. This is in London one of the worlds JavaScript hot spots.

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    Default Sencha Roadshow Tickets are sold

    Just to let you know how active Sencha Community is on the ground, please do visit below URLs related to Sencha Roadshow in India:

    Tickets are already sold out - within couple of weeks of announcement of the event :-).

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    I've found it getting harder and harder to pitch ExtJS solutions to enterprise customers when they already have experience maintaining ExtJS apps -- they know how hard it is to find developers they can bring in house that can work with it competently. They say "well we tried ExtJS before and couldn't find anyone to maintain it, can you use AngularJS instead? We're getting lots of resumes with that" -- and I know Angular doesn't come anywhere close to covering the ground that ExtJS does -- but more and more the big clients are willing to pay for the difference because they know they can find people to bring in house to maintain it after we do the initial buildout

    More resolute support from Sencha for open source projects powered by ExtJS would greatly help grow the pool of individual developers familiar with ExtJS that the big enterprises that pay Sencha's rent need to maintain their projects. Their needs to have a competent in-house ExtJS dev to maintain the giant apps built by ExtJS consulting shops that can afford the 5+ pack currently can only be met by trying to poach employees from those very 5+ pack consulting shops.

    This market for ExtJS know-how is not sustainable and WILL NOT GROW without a return to the strong commitment to open source that ExtJS owes nearly all its existing momentum to. Intentionally keeping bugs in the GPL releases for open source developers to trip over that leave a different set of whole swaths of the framework unusable in each GPL release is an amazingly effective way to give individual developers trying to learn ExtJS and contribute to projects a bad taste that pushes them away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by themightychris View Post
    I've found it getting harder and harder to pitch ExtJS solutions to enterprise customers when they already have experience maintaining ExtJS apps -- they know how hard it is to find developers they can bring in house that can work with it competently. They say "well we tried ExtJS before and couldn't find anyone to maintain it, can you use AngularJS instead? We're getting lots of resumes with that" -- and I know Angular doesn't come anywhere close to covering the ground that ExtJS does -- but more and more the big clients are willing to pay for the difference because they know they can find people to bring in house to maintain it after we do the initial buildout
    VHS killed Betamax, and Windows killed OS/2 Warp. The former were inferior to the latter yet they won the day. Technical superiority doesn't count for much when there's a cheaper rival willing to sell it for much less.

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    AngularJS does not provide widget library, however being open developers don't seem to have a problem with it. Say with bootstrap pulgin they can use bootstrap UI well with angularJS. There are other such UI plugins used with angularJS. Yes none of it is as extensive as ExtJS, but developers don't seem to mind it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by themightychris View Post
    They say "well we tried ExtJS before and couldn't find anyone to maintain it, can you use AngularJS instead?
    After seeing this tweet, I'm beginning to wonder if Google is even able to hire qualified JavaScript developers.... Apparently they ignored an application of a well-known JS developer and an open source contributor because supposedly he wasn't good enough, so he went to work for Facebook.

    Is AngularJS 2.0 still supposed to be released this year? I don't see any official statement, there's only speculation when it might be released.

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    As an enterprise developer, I would not want to use an open source framework developed by Google. Given Google's history of cutting products and frameworks, it's a highly probable case they will do the same with Angular 2. They've already done it with Angular 1, and they're already moving into Polymer. Google has a tendency to move fast with technology, and leave behind the drag weight of backwards compatibility. And since Google is not making a commercial business out of supporting it, they have no incentive to keep it going long. They prefer to release hot new stuff, and then move on. Are you ready to shift gears the way Google does? Angular is also very opinionated, so it's a difficult path to back out of.

    I am planning to develop my next enterprise SPA using Aurelia as soon as it releases 1.0, with Ext JS components mixed in. It has the pieces in place to be a active supported framework for a # of years.

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