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    Hi I could see that Ext JS 6.0.1 is now available at Sencha Fiddle. Has sencha announced officialy? Where is the GPL zip file? the https://www.sencha.com/legal/GPL links to Ext 6.0.0 version. I was able to download only evaluate trial copy here https://www.sencha.com/products/extjs/evaluate/, is it correct?


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    Sencha Ext JS x.x.x releases, such as 6.0.1, are available to customers with current maintenance and support agreements. You can download the latest Ext JS GPL version, here. If you would like to purchase maintenance and support, contact sales.
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    I see that years after years Sencha is less and less hurry to publish the GPL version. And inconveniently there is less and less people on this forum for latest sencha version... whereas web development have never been so popular...
    What a waste for the best development framework

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    Didn't the policy used to be that the first patch release would be available under GPL as well?
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    My commercial clients are increasingly hesitant to let me use ExtJS on their projects because it's hard for them to find developers

    I build open source projects with ExtJS to attract and train developers to your platform, but it's a battle every day to convince people I'm not insane and this policy is making that even tougher for me. You're shipping a framework full of bugs that you've already found and fixed. In what world does that seem like a good strategy to attract developers and convince them to invest tons of their on time learning your framework so they can help you proliferate it?

    I get that you need to stop people from using the GPL code for commercial projects and get paid for your hard work, but surely there's a better way to do it than actively shipping broken code and burning everyone who is trying to endorse your products in their open source efforts?
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    Again a license change...

    In this thread mitchell simons states that the first 2 patches are available:

    https://www.sencha.com/forum/showthr...=1#post1083216

    This has now been reduced to only the first release which is full of bugs according to the 6.0.1 changelog:

    https://docs.sencha.com/extjs/6.0/wh...ase_notes.html

    We develop Group-Office which is an open source project but our next version won't be based on extjs because of this. Extjs is an outstanding framework but this license strategy just doesn't make sense as we are only allowed to use the first buggy release.
    I've no problem with buying the license, but that still won't allow us to use commercial releases in our open source project.
    That's why I think the GPL download is misleading and it's only purpose seems to be to get bugs fixed and as bait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mschering View Post
    Again a license change...
    No, not a license change. I use the word "normally" which does not mean always. Also, I go further to say:

    We don't have an actual written policy of this even internally, it's not set in stone that it will always be like this. In fact for 5.x thus far we haven't had a support subscriber only release. We released 5.0.0, 5.0.1 and 5.1.0 all with GPL licenses, there was no 5.0.2 release.
    For more on that, this post: https://www.sencha.com/forum/showthr...=1#post1083700
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    Quote Originally Posted by mschering View Post
    That's why I think the GPL download is misleading and it's only purpose seems to be to get bugs fixed and as bait.
    Absolutely.
    See how GPL was presented on sencha.com 3 years ago:
    Sencha is an avid supporter of open source software.
    Nowadays the avidity is obviously pointed to the opposite direction. The GPL page is full of "drawbacks" and "scary" things about the GPL version and only serves as just yet another aid to increase sales of the commercial one.
    Know the actual implications of using GPL-licensed client-side JavaScript.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greendrake View Post
    Absolutely.
    See how GPL was presented on sencha.com 3 years ago:

    Nowadays the avidity is obviously pointed to the opposite direction. The GPL page is full of "drawbacks" and "scary" things about the GPL version and only serves as just yet another aid to increase sales of the commercial one.
    That doesn't change the GPL license tho, can't fault a commercial company pushing the free version to a sub page, especially since I'm sure lot of users were using the GPL version for commercial applications effectively stealing the framework which got us into a mess with the 5 pack change. If they still have a GPL license, regardless if you are scared of the language they use, you can still use it in a GPL project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamright View Post
    you can still use it in a GPL project.
    This is becoming effectively very difficult with all available GPL versions crippled by bugs that don't get fixed for GPL users. I have a commercial license but that doesn't help my open source projects.

    Why even offer the GPL license anymore if it's going to be treated like a trial version that's limited with bugs? I get that sencha needs to drive sales but this is a terrible way to do it that is ultimately going to severely curtail growth of the developer base and subsequently the viability of this development platform. With all the warnings, watermarks, and download hoops in place around the GPL version now can't it be kept current with patch releases?

    Open source projects using ExtJS ARE NOT potential customers like trial users. A developer working on an open source project cannot make use of their commercial license for the open source project even if they have one. All Sencha is doing is giving new developers a bad taste and making building open source projects that expose your platform and provide rich examples untenable.

    If I'm forced to abandon this framework for my open source projects because I can't keep up with hotfixing bugs and helping my developers deal with the random already-fixed framework bugs that blow at least 1 day a week of productivity, it won't be worthwhile anymore to stay on top of the framework for commercial projects either. I won't publish packages anymore, I won't talk fortune 500 clients into using Sencha for their projects, it won't be worth it. This isn't a personal threat, this is a warning that this ecosystem is going to cave in, I'm not the only one that's going to be driven off if this wanton disregard for open source projects that have chosen to invest in Sencha continues. The only sales Sencha will have will be legacy support.
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